Using IS NULL or IS NOT NULL on join conditions - Theory question

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Theory question here   Why does specifying table field IS NULL or table field IS NOT NULL not work on a join condition  left or right join for instance  but only in the where condition   Non working Example   -this should return all shipments with any returns  non null values  filtered out  However  this returns all shipments regardless if anything meets the  r id is null  statement   SELECT     FROM    shipments s LEFT OUTER JOIN returns r     ON s id   r id   AND r id is null WHERE   s day  gt   CURDATE   - INTERVAL 10 DAY    Working example   -This returns the correct amount of rows which is total shipments  less any related to a returns  non null values    SELECT     FROM    shipments s LEFT OUTER JOIN returns r     ON s id   r id WHERE   s day  gt   CURDATE   - INTERVAL 10 DAY   AND r id is null   Why is this the case  All other filter conditions between two tables being joined work just fine  but for some reason IS NULL and IS NOT NULL filters do not work unless in the where statement   What is the reason for this

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Your execution plan should make this clear  the JOIN takes precedence  after which the results are filtered

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The NULL part is calculated AFTER the actual join  so that is why it needs to be in the where clause

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Actually NULL filter is not being ignored  Thing is this is how joining two tables work   I will try to walk down with the steps performed by database server to make it understand  For example when you execute the query which you said is ignoring the NULL condition  SELECT     FROM    shipments s LEFT OUTER JOIN returns r   ON s id   r id   AND r id is null WHERE   s day    CURDATE   - INTERVAL 10 DAY   1st thing happened is all the rows from table SHIPMENTS get selected  on next step database server will start selecting one by one record from 2nd RETURNS  table   on third step the record from RETURNS table will be qualified against the join conditions you have provided in the query which in this case is  s id   r id and r id is NULL   note that this qualification applied on third step only decides if server should accept or reject the current record of RETURNS table to append with the selected row of SHIPMENT table  It can in no way effect the selection of record from SHIPMENT table   And once server is done with joining two tables which contains all the rows of SHIPMENT table and selected rows of RETURNS table it applies the where clause on the intermediate result  so when you put  r id is NULL  condition in where clause than all the records from the intermediate result with r id   null gets filtered out

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The WHERE clause is evaluated after the JOIN conditions have been processed

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Example with tables A and B    A  parent        B  child                                     id   name        pid   name  ------------    -------------   1   Alex         1    Kate   2   Bill         1    Lia   3   Cath         3    Mary   4   Dale       NULL   Pan   5   Evan       If you want to find parents and their kids  you do an INNER JOIN   SELECT id   parent name AS parent        pid  child name  AS child  FROM         parent  INNER JOIN  child   ON   parent id          child pid   Result is that every match of a parent s id from the left table and a child s pid from the second table will show as a row in the result    ---- -------- ------ -------    id   parent   pid    child     ---- -------- ------ -------     1   Alex       1    Kate       1   Alex       1    Lia        3   Cath       3    Mary     ---- -------- ------ -------      Now  the above does not show parents without kids  because their ids do not have a match in child s ids  so what do you do  You do an outer join instead  There are three types of outer joins  the left  the right and the full outer join  We need the left one as we want the  extra  rows from the left table  parent      SELECT id   parent name AS parent        pid  child name  AS child  FROM         parent  LEFT JOIN  child   ON   parent id         child pid   Result is that besides previous matches  all parents that do not have a match  read  do not have a kid  are shown too    ---- -------- ------ -------    id   parent   pid    child     ---- -------- ------ -------     1   Alex       1    Kate       1   Alex       1    Lia        3   Cath       3    Mary       2   Bill     NULL   NULL       4   Dale     NULL   NULL       5   Evan     NULL   NULL     ---- -------- ------ -------    Where did all those NULL come from  Well  MySQL  or any other RDBMS you may use  will not know what to put there as these parents have no match  kid   so there is no pid nor child name to match with those parents  So  it puts this special non-value called NULL    My point is that these NULLs are created  in the result set  during the LEFT OUTER JOIN     So  if we want to show only the parents that do NOT have a kid  we can add a WHERE child pid IS NULL to the LEFT JOIN above  The WHERE clause is evaluated  checked  after the JOIN is done  So  it s clear from the above result that only the last three rows where the pid is NULL will be shown    SELECT id   parent name AS parent        pid  child name  AS child  FROM         parent  LEFT JOIN  child   ON   parent id         child pid  WHERE child pid IS NULL   Result    ---- -------- ------ -------    id   parent   pid    child     ---- -------- ------ -------     2   Bill     NULL   NULL       4   Dale     NULL   NULL       5   Evan     NULL   NULL     ---- -------- ------ -------      Now  what happens if we move that IS NULL check from the WHERE to the joining ON clause   SELECT id   parent name AS parent        pid  child name  AS child  FROM         parent  LEFT JOIN  child   ON   parent id         child pid   AND  child pid IS NULL   In this case the database tries to find rows from the two tables that match these conditions  That is  rows where parent id   child pid AND child pid IN NULL  But it can find no such match because no child pid can be equal to something  1  2  3  4 or 5  and be NULL at the same time   So  the condition   ON   parent id         child pid AND  child pid IS NULL   is equivalent to   ON   1   0   which is always False   So  why does it return ALL rows from the left table  Because it s a LEFT JOIN  And left joins return rows that match  none in this case  and also rows from the left table that do not match the check  all in this case     ---- -------- ------ -------    id   parent   pid    child     ---- -------- ------ -------     1   Alex     NULL   NULL       2   Bill     NULL   NULL       3   Cath     NULL   NULL       4   Dale     NULL   NULL       5   Evan     NULL   NULL     ---- -------- ------ -------    I hope the above explanation is clear       Sidenote  not directly related to your question   Why on earth doesn t Pan show  up in none of our JOINs  Because his pid is NULL and NULL in the  not common  logic of SQL is not equal to anything so it can t match with any of the parent ids  which are 1 2 3 4 and 5   Even if there was a NULL there  it still wouldn t match because NULL does not equal anything  not even NULL itself  it s a very strange logic  indeed    That s why we use the special check IS NULL and not a   NULL check   So  will Pan show up if we do a RIGHT JOIN   Yes  it will  Because a RIGHT JOIN will show all results that match  the first INNER JOIN we did  plus all rows from the RIGHT table that don t match  which in our case is one  the  NULL   Pan   row   SELECT id   parent name AS parent        pid  child name  AS child  FROM         parent  RIGHT JOIN  child   ON   parent id          child pid   Result    ------ -------- ------ -------    id     parent   pid    child     --------------- ------ -------      1    Alex       1    Kate        1    Alex       1    Lia         3    Cath       3    Mary      NULL   NULL     NULL   Pan      ------ -------- ------ -------      Unfortunately  MySQL does not have FULL JOIN  You can try it in other RDBMSs  and it will show    ------ -------- ------ -------     id    parent   pid    child     ------ -------- ------ -------      1    Alex       1    Kate        1    Alex       1    Lia         3    Cath       3    Mary        2    Bill     NULL   NULL        4    Dale     NULL   NULL        5    Evan     NULL   NULL      NULL   NULL     NULL   Pan      ------ -------- ------ -------

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You re doing a LEFT OUTTER JOIN which indicates that you want every tuple from the table on the LEFT of the statement regardless of it has a matching record in the RIGHT table   This being the case  your results are being pruned from the RIGHT table but you re ending up with the same results as if you didn t include the AND at all within the ON clause   Performing the AND in the WHERE clause causes the prune to happen after the LEFT JOIN takes place

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