Using margin 0 auto in Internet Explorer 8

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I m in the process of doing some advance IE8 testing  and it seems that the old technique of using margin  0 auto  doesn t work in all cases in IE8   The following piece of HTML gives a centered button in FF3  Opera  Safari  Chrome  IE7  and IE8 compat  but NOT in IE8 standard               lt div style  height  500px  width  500px  background-color  Yellow   gt       lt input type  submit  style  display  block  margin  0 auto     gt   lt  div gt        As a work-around I can add an explicit width to the button    So the question is  which browsers are correct  Or is this one of those cases where the behaviour is undefined    My thinking is that all the browsers are incorrect - shouldn t the button be 100  width if it s  display  block     UPDATE  I m being a dunce  Since input isn t a block-level element  I should have just contained it within a div with  text-align  center   Having said that  for curiosity s sake  I d still like to know whether the button should or shouldn t be centered in the example above   FOR THE BOUNTY  I know I m doing odd things in the example  and as I point out in the update  I should have just aligned it center  For the bounty  I d like references to the specs that answer    If I set  display  block   should the button be width 100   Or is this undefined  Since the display is block  should  margin  0 auto   center the button  or not  or undefined

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shouldn t the button be 100  width if it s  display  block    No   That just means it s the only thing in the space vertically  assuming you aren t using another trick to force something else there as well    It doesn t mean it has to fill up the width of that space   I think your problem in this instance is that the input is not natively a block element   Try nesting it inside another div and set the margin on that   But I don t have an IE8 browser to test this with at the moment  so it s just a guess

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Form controls are replaced elements in CSS       10 3 4 Block-level  replaced elements in normal flow      The used value of  width  is determined as for inline replaced elements  Then the rules for non-replaced block-level elements are applied to determine the margins    So the form control should not be stretched to 100  width    However  it should be centered  It looks like an ordinary bug in IE8  It centers the element if you set specific width    lt input type  submit  style  display  block  width 100px  margin  0 auto     gt

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Add  lt  doctype html gt  at the top of your HTML output

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As explained by buti-oxa this is a bug with the way IE8 handles replaced elements  If you don t want to add an explicit width to your button then you can change it to an inline-block and center align the contents     lt div style  height  500px  width  500px  background-color  Yellow  text-align  center   gt     lt input type  submit  style  display  inline-block     gt   lt  div gt    If you want this to work in older versions of Mozilla  including FF2  that don t support inline-block then you can add display  -moz-inline-stack  to the button

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Adding  lt  DOCTYPE html PUBLIC  -  W3C  DTD XHTML 1 0 Transitional  EN   http   www w3 org TR xhtml1 DTD xhtml1-transitional dtd  gt  solves the issue

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One more time  we all hate IE    lt div style  width 100  background-color blue   gt       lt div style  margin 0 auto width 300px background-color red   gt          Not Working      lt  div gt   lt  div gt    lt div style  width 100  background-color green text-align center   gt       lt div style  margin 0 auto width 300px background-color orange text-align left   gt          Working  but dumb that you have to use text-align      lt  div gt   lt  div gt

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Assuming margin  0 auto then the element should be centered  but the width is left as-is--whatever it is calculated to be  disregarding any margin settings  If you set the  lt INPUT gt  tag to display block  then it should be centered with margin  0 auto     See Visual formatting model details - calculating widths and margins from the CSS 2 1 specs for more details  Relavent bits include       In a block formatting context  each   box s left outer edge touches the left   edge of the containing block    and     When the total width of the inline   boxes on a line is less than the width   of the line box containing them  their   horizontal distribution within the   line box is determined by the    text-align  property    finally     If  width  is set to  auto   any other    auto  values become  0  and  width    follows from the resulting equality        If both  margin-left  and    margin-right  are  auto   their used   values are equal  This horizontally   centers the element with respect to   the edges of the containing block

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It is a bug in IE8   Starting with your second question      margin  0 auto    centers a block  but only when width of the block is set to be less that width of parent  Usually  they get to be the same  That is why text in the example below is not centered     lt div style  height  100px  width  500px  background-color  Yellow   gt           lt b style  display  block  margin  0 auto    gt text lt  b gt   lt  div gt    Once the display style of the b element is set to block  its width defaults to the parents width  CSS spec 10 3 3 Block-level  non-replaced elements in normal flow describes how     If  width  is set to  auto   any other  auto  values become  0  and  width  follows from the resulting equality     The equality mentioned there is    margin-left     border-left-width     padding-left     width     padding-right     border-right-width     margin-right    width of containing block  So  normally all autos result in a block width being equal to the width of containing block    However  this calculation should not be applied to INPUT  which is a replaced element  Replaced elements are covered by 10 3 4 Block-level  replaced elements in normal flow  Text there says     The used value of  width  is determined as for inline replaced elements     The relevant part of 10 3 2 Inline  replaced elements is     if  width  has a computed value of  auto   and the element has an intrinsic width  then that intrinsic width is the used value of  width       I guess that the scenario CSS cares about is IMG element   Stackoverflow logo in this example will be centered by all browsers    lt div style  height  100px  width  500px  background-color  Yellow   gt           lt img style  display  block  margin  0 auto    border  0  src  http   stackoverflow com content img so logo png  alt    gt   lt  div gt    INPUT element should behave the same way

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As far as this being a  bug  with relation to the spec  it isn t  As the author of the post questions  the behaviour for this would be  undefined  since this behaviour in IE only happens on form controls  as per spec      CSS 2 1 does not define which   properties apply to form controls and   frames  or how CSS can be used to   style them  User agents may apply CSS   properties to these elements  Authors   are recommended to treat such support   as experimental      http   www w3 org TR CSS21 conform html conformance    Cheers

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margin  0 auto  only centers an element in IE if the parent element has a  text-align  center

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tried all the above  end up doing this   lt div style  width 100   background-color red  text-align center   gt           lt div style  width 900px  margin 0 auto  background-color blue   gt              hello          lt  div gt       lt  div gt

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Yes  you can read the spec a hundred times  and combine different bits and pieces until you have an interpretation that feels right     but that s exactly what the browser vendors did and that s why we re in the situation we are today   In essence  when you apply a width of 100  to an element it should extend to 100  of it s parent s width  if that parent is a block element  You can t center it anymore with margin  0 auto  then since it already takes up 100  of the available width    To center anything with margin  0 auto  you need to define an explicit width  To center an inline element  you can use text-align  center  on the parent element  although this could have unwanted side-effects if the parent has other children

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