[html] Any way of using frames in HTML5?

For school I must make a website and it must use those crappy old damn fml frames. I've already complained about this to my teacher without any success :(

I want to use HTML5, but it seems that frames are deprecated. Am I really required to use XHTML or HTML 4? Is there some work-around that makes my pages validate HTML5 with use of frames?

I have used frames at my continuing education commercial site for over 15 years. Frames allow the navigation frame to load material into the main frame using the target feature while leaving the navigator frame untouched. Furthermore, Perl scripts operate quite well from a frame form returning the output to the same frame. I love frames and will continue using them. CSS is far too complicated for practical use. I have had no problems using frames with HTML5 with IE, Safari, Chrome, or Firefox.

Frames were not deprecated in HTML5, but were deprecated in XHTML 1.1 Strict and 2.0, but remained in XHTML Transitional and returned in HTML5. Also here is an interesting article on using CSS to mimic frames without frames. I just tested it in IE 8, FF 3, Opera 11, Safari 5, Chrome 8. I love frames, but they do have their problems, particularly with search engines, bookmarks and printing and with CSS you can create print or display only content. I'm hoping to upgrade Alex's XHTML/CSS frame without frames solution to HTML5/CSS3.

Maybe some AJAX page content injection could be used as an alternative, though I still can't get around why your teacher would refuse to rid the website of frames.

Additionally, is there any specific reason you personally want to us HTML5?

But if not, I believe <iframe>s are still around.

I know your class is over, but in professional coding, let this be a lesson:

• "Deprecated" means "avoid use; it's going to be removed in the future"
• Deprecated things still work - just don't expect support or future-proofing
• If the requirement requires it, and you can't negotiate it away, just use the deprecated construct.
  
  • If you're really concerned, develop the alternative implementation on the side and keep it ready for the inevitable failure
  • Charge for the extra work now. By requesting a deprecated feature, they are asking you to double the work. You're going to see it again anyway, so might as well front-load it.
  • When the failure happens, let the interested party know that this was what you feared; that you prepared for it, but it'll take some time
  • Deploy your solution as quickly as you can (there will be bugs)
  • Gain rep for preventing excessive downtime.

You'll have to resort to XHTML or HTML 4.01 for this. Although iframe is still there in HTML5, its use is not recommended for embedding content meant for the user.

And be sure to tell your teacher that frames haven't been state-of-the-art since the late nineties. They have no place in any kind of education at all, except possibly for historical reasons.