Any way of using frames in HTML5

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For school I must make a website and it must use those crappy old damn fml frames  I ve already complained about this to my teacher without any success     I want to use HTML5  but it seems that frames are deprecated  Am I really required to use XHTML or HTML 4  Is there some work-around that makes my pages validate HTML5 with use of frames

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You ll have to resort to XHTML or HTML 4 01 for this  Although iframe is still there in HTML5  its use is not recommended for embedding content meant for the user   And be sure to tell your teacher that frames haven t been state-of-the-art since the late nineties  They have no place in any kind of education at all  except possibly for historical reasons

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Now  there are plenty of example of me answering questions with essays on why following validation rules are important   I ve also said that sometimes you just have to be a rebel and break the rules  and document the reasons   You can see in this example that framesets do work in HTML5 still   I had to download the code and add an HTML5 doctype at the top  however   But the frameset element was still recognized  and the desired result was achieved   Therefore  knowing that using framesets is completely absurd  and knowing that you have to use this as dictated by your professor teacher  you could just deal with the single validation error in the W3C validator and use both the HTML5 video element as well as the deprecated frameset element    lt  DOCTYPE html gt   lt html gt       lt head gt       lt  head gt       lt  -- frameset is deprecated in html5  but it still works  -- gt       lt frameset framespacing  0  rows  150    frameborder  0  noresize gt           lt frame name  top  src  http   www npscripts com framer demo-top html  target  top  gt           lt frame name  main  src  http   www google com  target  main  gt       lt  frameset gt   lt  html gt    Keep in mind that if it s a project for school  it s most likely not going to be something that will be around in a year or two once the browser vendors remove frameset support for HTML5 completely   Just know that you are right and just do what your teacher professor asks just to get the grade     UPDATE   The toplevel parent doc uses XHTML and the frame uses HTML5   The validator did not complain about the frameset being illegal  and it didn t complain about the video element   index php    lt  DOCTYPE html PUBLIC  -  W3C  DTD XHTML 1 0 Frameset  EN   http   www w3 org TR xhtml1 DTD xhtml1-frameset dtd  gt   lt html gt       lt head gt       lt  head gt       lt frameset framespacing  0  rows  150    frameborder  0  noresize gt           lt frame name  top  src  http   www npscripts com framer demo-top html  target  top  gt           lt frame name  main  src  video html  target  main  gt       lt  frameset gt   lt  html gt    video html    lt  doctype html gt   lt html gt       lt head gt       lt  head gt       lt body gt           lt div id  player-container  gt               lt div class  arrow  gt  lt  div gt               lt div class  player  gt                    lt video id  vid1  width  480  height  267                       poster  http   cdn kaltura org apis html5lib kplayer-examples media bbb480 jpg                      durationHint  33  controls gt                       lt source src  http   cdn kaltura org apis html5lib kplayer-examples media bbb trailer iphone m4v    gt                        lt source src  http   cdn kaltura org apis html5lib kplayer-examples media bbb400p ogv    gt                    lt  video gt            lt  div gt       lt  body gt   lt  html gt

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Maybe some AJAX page content injection could be used as an alternative  though I still can t get around why your teacher would refuse to rid the website of frames   Additionally  is there any specific reason you personally want to us HTML5   But if not  I believe  lt iframe gt s are still around

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I have used frames at my continuing education commercial site for over 15 years   Frames allow the navigation frame to load material into the main frame using the target feature while leaving the navigator frame untouched   Furthermore  Perl scripts operate quite well from a frame form returning the output to the same frame   I love frames and will continue using them   CSS is far too complicated for practical use   I have had no problems using frames with HTML5 with IE  Safari  Chrome  or Firefox

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Frames were not deprecated in HTML5  but were deprecated in XHTML 1 1 Strict and 2 0  but remained in XHTML Transitional and returned in HTML5   Also here is an interesting article on using CSS to mimic frames without frames   I just tested it in IE 8  FF 3  Opera 11  Safari 5  Chrome 8   I love frames  but they do have their problems  particularly with search engines  bookmarks and printing and with CSS you can create print or display only content   I m hoping to upgrade Alex s XHTML CSS frame without frames solution to HTML5 CSS3

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I know your class is over  but in professional coding  let this be a lesson     Deprecated  means  avoid use  it s going to be removed in the future  Deprecated things still work - just don t expect support or future-proofing If the requirement requires it  and you can t negotiate it away  just use the deprecated construct   If you re really concerned  develop the alternative implementation on the side and keep it ready for the inevitable failure Charge for the extra work now   By requesting a deprecated feature  they are asking you to double the work   You re going to see it again anyway  so might as well front-load it  When the failure happens  let the interested party know that this was what you feared  that you prepared for it  but it ll take some time Deploy your solution as quickly as you can  there will be bugs  Gain rep for preventing excessive downtime

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